I want you to know ('you' being those who posted in disagreement with my comments) that I was bothered by your comments. This means I found them thought-provoking and in some cases sarcastic (Maria - you weren't interested in educating - but instead chose to be a smarta$$).
As I was writing my response to the original posting about Janet Fraser's loss and the UC movement, I was thinking of my children. I had a very visceral response to this story because I was thinking of losing one of my own children. I was accused of being cruel, and that was not my intention. I have no desire to 'kick some one when they are down'. I was having thoughts of losing one of my own babies. Pure and simple.
Maria - I can only verify the story through the newspaper (see above link). I understand that the media does not always report the whole truth. I get that. But it is all I had to go on as this is alll being kept hush hush on the Joyous Birth website. It's not reasonable to expect to live your life in the limelight promoting a cause, then be able to command privacy when something negative happens. Ask any celebrity, political figure, etc. That's not the way notoriety works. And yes, I am aware that stillbirths can happen to anyone, regardless of where they may be delivering. And we (we being medical and midwifery providers) question why and how did this happen. Every single stillbirth is questioned. Why should Janets' be any different? The questions for her are just very public (again that noteriety). As for 'people like me' spouting opinions about things which we know nothing about...THIS IS MY BLOG AND THIS IS THE USA. I can spout whatever opinions I want here because this is a blog about my thoughts. If you don't like - don't read it. Just like I don't believe in UC and therefore I don't go hang out at the website for it.
i-am-a-mama - I was not casting judgement on Janet as that would be unfair. I simply stated my belief as she has done so publicly. Just as you are now. I suspect you are being overly sensitive because this was a post criticizing your belief. Just as I feel like I am being judged for having stated my personal opinions and beliefs. As far as the blog post I referenced....Navelgazing Midwife and Janet Fraser know each other and have exchanged many thought provoking conversations in the blogosphere. Navelgazing Midwife has even written an article for the Joyous Birth website. I know Navelgazing Midwife through Facebook and know firsthand what her intentions were. And they weren't to 'rub it in'. You then ask me how heartless and cruel can I be? Who's judging now? Heartless I am not....see above part of the post regarding my children. Ask the women I provide care for and dedicate a great deal of time to assist them in having the childbirth experience they want. And cruel - I wondered if maybe I was being cruel so I went back and re-read my post a couple times...and I stand by it.
Nepenthe - Yes, I don't know every detail as I have not seen the coroner's report. But the fact that she was having a 5 day labor sounds awfully suspicious to me. The baby is not equipped to last five days of labor even if momma can. I am making the assumption (granted this may be incorrect) that that baby was alive when labor started. Had someone, anyone been present to doppler periodically, yes, that baby may have been born alive. There would have been heart rate changes that indicated a compromised baby. I have no idea what type of prenatal care she had and I don't care. This has nothing to do with what prenatal testing she may or may not have had. Many woman I see decline all sorts of prenatal testing - no problem. The only assumption I make is that the baby was alive prior to the start of labor. I question this birth just as I would anyone who delivered in a birth center or a hospital or at home with or without a midwife. In fact, it's called peer review. Any bad outcome is investigated, regardless of where it occurs. And a preventable death in the hospital makes this ok I guess. NO! It's not ok anywhere. I am not ashamed Nepenthe.
I won't be 'named and shamed' by women who find it ok to put the experience before the health and well-being of their babies. The experience IS important but not the ultimate goal!
I would like to remind people that Janet did seek out help when the baby was in 'cardiac arrest' and for herself as well. It's unfortunate that it was too late.